In my opinion, the kindle books family sharing experience is very poorly designed.
Hopefully you will know how to help or suggest a way to achieve library sharing unlike Amazon support who have put me in a worse situation than I was before.
Our family is nothing special: 2 adults, 2 children.
Each one of us has a kindle - which we enjoy - tremendously.
Like probably everyone... We got a kindle for the kid for Christmas, registered them on amazon using a new username and a password, entered my credit card details and bingo, kids can read.
Now I would like to share some of my books with my son and this is where it gets extremely complicated.
I cannot share books because he has his account and therefore he cannot be part of my family. The only way would be if he was the second adult in the household which is wrong on just about every aspect.
So it seems that my daughter and son cannot be part of the household because they have their own Amazon accounts. One way would be to deregister their kindle, register them under my account (I think) and lose all the books we purchased under their accounts. This is very undesirable. Obviously I could lend them my kindle but kindles are personal items. I have books that are not to be shared with young kids (think Andy Mc Nab and very young kids - it would scare them!).
Hence the question : Is there a way to link 4 Amazon accounts as a household to share book as a family?
If not, how do you manage your household library and share easy to read books like Agatha Christie's ones with ease?
In my opinion, the kindle books family sharing experience is very poorly designed.
Hopefully you will know how to help or suggest a way to achieve library sharing unlike Amazon support who have put me in a worse situation than I was before.
Our family is nothing special: 2 adults, 2 children.
Each one of us has a kindle - which we enjoy - tremendously.
Like probably everyone... We got a kindle for the kid for Christmas, registered them on amazon using a new username and a password, entered my credit card details and bingo, kids can read.
Now I would like to share some of my books with my son and this is where it gets extremely complicated.
I cannot share books because he has his account and therefore he cannot be part of my family. The only way would be if he was the second adult in the household which is wrong on just about every aspect.
So it seems that my daughter and son cannot be part of the household because they have their own Amazon accounts. One way would be to deregister their kindle, register them under my account (I think) and lose all the books we purchased under their accounts. This is very undesirable. Obviously I could lend them my kindle but kindles are personal items. I have books that are not to be shared with young kids (think Andy Mc Nab and very young kids - it would scare them!).
Hence the question : Is there a way to link 4 Amazon accounts as a household to share book as a family?
If not, how do you manage your household library and share easy to read books like Agatha Christie's ones with ease?
Many thanks,
Michael
"registered them on amazon using a new username and a password, entered my credit card details and bingo, kids can read."
"very young kids"
No, you can't link four Amazon accounts. If they are very young, why did you create new Amazon accounts for them rather than registering their devices to your account and setting up Child Profiles (which would allow Library Sharing between all devices)?
"The only way would be if he was the second adult in the household which is wrong on just about every aspect."
How so? You would monitor the account and the device(s), so what specific concerns do you have? (Being it would be a totally, separate account with no ability to access your content, account info, etc.)
Others, in a similar scenario, have actually used two Amazon accounts. One shared by the adults, the other shared by the children, and those accounts are then the two Amazon accounts used to Create the Household (eligible content and benefits are able to be shared). This, however, should be done in advance of procuring books, etc as, if done later, content is lost or no longer accessible (due to the inability to transfer between the various accounts).
@Cam: one very small clarification - If one has to swap between amazon accounts books/content are not "lost" since they remain on the account. They just are not available whilst logged into the "other" account.
Personally I use "spare" Fires, kindles and kindle reading apps to share books. It works for us, but of course may not be practical for others.
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I wonder why someone would follow their own alternative forum profile.
@Cam: one very small clarification - If one has to swap between amazon accounts books/content are not "lost" since they remain on the account. They just are not available whilst logged into the "other" account.
Personally I use "spare" Fires, kindles and kindle reading apps to share books. It works for us, but of course may not be practical for others.
Thanks, CW. Clarification on what I meant by that. Yes, they would remain on the account. And, if only two of the original four accounts would end up being used for the purposes of sharing, the content of the other two can't be shared or transferred to the two currently 'active' accounts (so 'lost' in that sense). For some, not worth the de-registering, re-registering required to gain access especially if the content is extremely minimal ('Do I want to go through all that for a few titles?').
We do not sell products for purchase by children. We sell children's products for purchase by adults. If you are under 18 you may use the Amazon Services only with the involvement of a parent or guardian."
An advantage of a parent opening, and overseeing, a separate 'adult' account for a child....which the OP appears to have done... is the child's ability to retain their account content, such as Kindle books, as they grow older. Eliminates the issues of 'sharing' content that was purchased on the parent/guardian account. We've all seen posts of parents trying to figure out how to 'transfer' a child's collection of books, perhaps bought on mum's account, when the young person is old enough to open their own Amazon account.
We do not sell products for purchase by children. We sell children's products for purchase by adults. If you are under 18 you may use the Amazon Services only with the involvement of a parent or guardian."
An advantage of a parent opening, and overseeing, a separate 'adult' account for a child....which the OP appears to have done... is the child's ability to retain their account content, such as Kindle books, as they grow older. Eliminates the issues of 'sharing' content that was purchased on the parent/guardian account. We've all seen posts of parents trying to figure out how to 'transfer' a child's collection of books, perhaps bought on mum's account, when the young person is old enough to open their own Amazon account.
This is correct however there was another document that I can no longer find that said accounts could not be opened by minors.
That is the reason that none of Amazon's recent contracts are not legally binding as they must be supplied in a permanent medium and being buried in the internet is not concidered a permanent medium.
Amazon does sell products for children, but it sells them to adults, who can purchase with a credit card or other permitted payment method. If you are under 18, you may use the Amazon Services only with involvement of a parent or guardian. Parents and guardians may create profiles for teenagers in their Amazon Household. Alcohol listings on Amazon are intended for adults. You must be at least 21 years of age to purchase alcohol, or use any site functionality related to alcohol.
“That is the reason that none of Amazon's recent contracts are not legally binding”
It’s just that I have studied contract law and commercial law at an undergraduate level, at a postgraduate level and in various bar courses, and am intrigued to learn that Amazon’s legal department has been negligent in these matters. Before I pass this along, I’d like some authority for this. The report of a case or two would suffice or even an article from a reputable newspaper.
I have not been able to find any case history, it does take a while for this sort of legislation to reach court and establish precedents, however do you agree with my interpretation.
I have to say that some of the guidance, particularly that about having to have a national call rate number does not seem to be in the legislation.
Amazon does not have to explicitly state that minors can not open accounts. They just say it for clarification. Minors can’t open accounts as they are incapable of creating a contract. However, a parent may open an account in a minor’s name whilst retaining the contract.
I have e-mailed the department asking for clarification and shall follow up tomorrow with a phone call. If true this is of immense significance.
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Incidentally, as there has not, at least as yet, been any court decision about the matter how can you state that "none of Amazon's recent contracts are not legally binding”?
What am I missing?
Governments of all type have the habit of passing legislation and then getting courts to interpret it, however this one is not as badly written as usual and it specifically states that contract information must be in a permanent medium. Not complying with legislation is an offence.
Anything that is just held on the internet by a company can easily be changed so no one would know what was in the conditions when the contract was inacted. Actually Amazon are good as you can see a record of changes BUT there is no guarantee that these are complete and have not been changed.
An email is acceptable as both parties can keep copies and they can be compared if needed, however you are entitled to request a printed copy.
I have found many legal firms giving there interpretation and all agree what a permanent medium is. Should it come to court I can't see that this point could be argued away.
Hello,
In my opinion, the kindle books family sharing experience is very poorly designed.
Hopefully you will know how to help or suggest a way to achieve library sharing unlike Amazon support who have put me in a worse situation than I was before.
Our family is nothing special: 2 adults, 2 children.
Each one of us has a kindle - which we enjoy - tremendously.
Like probably everyone... We got a kindle for the kid for Christmas, registered them on amazon using a new username and a password, entered my credit card details and bingo, kids can read.
Now I would like to share some of my books with my son and this is where it gets extremely complicated.
I cannot share books because he has his account and therefore he cannot be part of my family. The only way would be if he was the second adult in the household which is wrong on just about every aspect.
So it seems that my daughter and son cannot be part of the household because they have their own Amazon accounts. One way would be to deregister their kindle, register them under my account (I think) and lose all the books we purchased under their accounts. This is very undesirable. Obviously I could lend them my kindle but kindles are personal items. I have books that are not to be shared with young kids (think Andy Mc Nab and very young kids - it would scare them!).
Hence the question : Is there a way to link 4 Amazon accounts as a household to share book as a family?
If not, how do you manage your household library and share easy to read books like Agatha Christie's ones with ease?
Many thanks,
Michael
@Cam: one very small clarification - If one has to swap between amazon accounts books/content are not "lost" since they remain on the account. They just are not available whilst logged into the "other" account.
Personally I use "spare" Fires, kindles and kindle reading apps to share books. It works for us, but of course may not be practical for others.
I wonder why someone would follow their own alternative forum profile.
One of the problems is that according to the T&Cs minors can't open accounts. I know they do but this is why households will not work how you wish.
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"17. CHILDREN
We do not sell products for purchase by children. We sell children's products for purchase by adults. If you are under 18 you may use the Amazon Services only with the involvement of a parent or guardian."
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here's the wording on amazon.com:
Amazon does sell products for children, but it sells them to adults, who can purchase with a credit card or other permitted payment method. If you are under 18, you may use the Amazon Services only with involvement of a parent or guardian. Parents and guardians may create profiles for teenagers in their Amazon Household. Alcohol listings on Amazon are intended for adults. You must be at least 21 years of age to purchase alcohol, or use any site functionality related to alcohol.
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Section G of this Guidance or if you want to wade through the whole Legislation most in section 12
If my link gets deleted this is the legislation "The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013"
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Amazon does not have to explicitly state that minors can not open accounts. They just say it for clarification. Minors can’t open accounts as they are incapable of creating a contract. However, a parent may open an account in a minor’s name whilst retaining the contract.
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